So, ive never had any issues with permissions plugins before.. until now. I had quit for 4 months and come back to updates. And in 1.8.1 recommended build, and even now in the 1.0.0 dev build im having the same problem. Certain plugins always show its menu, and allow usage of all the commands even though im using a permissions plugin. I have tried permissionsbukkit, bperms, AND pex. All 3 of them did not prevent it. My 2 prime examples are DynMap and LWC. Both plugins, suppose the above permission plugins which means by default it should disallow access to the menu's and commands of Dynmap and LWC. Yet a guest on the server who is in a group with no access can access all the commands, and even the render commands. With permissions bukkit i was able to do a crappy work around by doing dynmap.*: false which means when they do /dynmap it STILL shows all the commands but when they try to use the command it denies them. But i dont see why i should have to add that to every single group, from every single plugin i dont want them to use. A FEW plugins out of the about 40 i have are blocked correctly if you dont have the permission node, but the rest just allow usage. When checking the console it says there hooked in.. so i dont see why its still allowing it to be used. Im not new to permissions plugins, and have been running servers since hmod. Im quite perplexed, and annoyed. Anyone have any ideas. Note - I DID try even taking out ALL plugins EXCEPT dynmap, and the permissions plugin to make sure there was not a conflict. It still showed its menu and etc.