still testing plague but I will keep you posted and if it comes out with a major difference i will definitely submit a bug report. Ok I can post the results if you guys would like them but quite frankly there is no point. The amount of ram usage for 30 mins while running in a straightline only using the plugin magic carpet so I can run above the world undistrupted yeilded a difference of 50-100mb between 617 and 670 617 came out roughly 900ish mb vs 670 1gb. On the ground running 617 was at around 652 mb vs 617 being at around 730mb. So at this point I'm just going to tell my guys to be smart about how much they are just randomly running and i'm setting server restarts for every 4 hours to clear out cache and see how that goes. EDIT by Moderator: merged posts, please use the edit button instead of double posting.