I HATE ECLIPSE! AND NETBEANS! AND ALFREDO SAUCE!

Discussion in 'Bukkit Discussion' started by Dazmo, Jul 8, 2011.

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    Dazmo

    Im not primarily a java programmer. (I mostly do C++, C#) But I do know enough Java to code decently in it. It also helps that Java syntax isn't that much different.
    But, Im not a java pro, and its not one of my long term goals to become one.
    So my dilemma, and im sure, the dilemma of many others, is that Eclipse, and Netbeans are INSANELY complicated.
    Would it be retardedly difficult to create a bukkit - specific IDE?
    Even like tweaking notepad++ to do it would be fantastic.
    It would be banging to have an IDE that just made sure bukkit was linked in the code, that java SDK was being used, and that could maybe - but not necessarily - implement github (in an intuitive way - github is confusing. forks and commits, what? wheres the map? lol!).

    ya know, think about it. click file - open project. Browse to minecart mania, clik ok, and bam! code!
    change it up, make it better, then save or compile it! hooray! maybe even put it on github.
    All this without the 90% of eclipse that has nothing whatsoever to do with bukkit mod development -That baloney that pops up every time you open, import, export, create, or save a bit of code.

    Basically I don't want to have to be a java pro to create plugins. I just want to do it.
    Hopefully some Java pro out there could do this - I would even gladly help. Notepad++ is written in C++ actually, so . . .
     
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    MCManager

    "is that Eclipse, and Netbeans are INSANELY complicated."
    well, it's not complicated, i got the hang of it in 1 day....
    i am a mainly c# programmer too, but eclipse isn't hard....
     
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    MiHo

    You do not need an IDE to develop java applications? Of course you could use Notepad++ and the compiler!

    By the way, I earn my living with software development and already used very much different programming languages, but Java and C# are the most easiest. (Easier than Python or VisualBasic, I would say, cause they get very hard to use in larg projects)
    Also the most java IDE are much easier than other ones.

    After reading your post, I only can think that you really have not understand much in software development yet, but if I'm wrong probably you only want another Java IDE. My personal favourite is IntelliJ IDEA (JetBeans). A very wide spread java ide in professional usage, but a little bit more complicated for beginners I think.
     
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    MCManager

    c# is not easier than visual basic, although the syntax is cleaner, i think both have pro's and con's...
     
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    Dazmo

    I'm really not going to copy-paste tutorials from the web to explicitly point out how the majority of the steps are irrelevant to minecraft plugin development with bukkit, just to try and convince someone how unnecessarily complicated it is. I'm just not.
    Unless I get really bored. :)
    I just thought it would be nice to have an IDE that is specific for bukkit mod development, so that I can focus on bukkit mod development, instead of the IDE. If you don't agree, fine. Irrelevant though, isn't it?
     
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    MiHo

    I think you are correct, when thinking of starting, but with the first large project, VisualBasic source will become much more difficult to read that other ones.
    Hm.. but Bukkit plugins are pure java. Are you going to create an own IDE if you make a new software project?
     
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    Clem

    @MiHo @masteroftime has created a Bukkit Mod which puts in Jython. We can now develop in Python... if the Admins are nice and put it in :3 . I am super duper crazy hoping they do accept the pull request.
     
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    MCManager

    i hope they add .net too, i am more used to taht
     
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    Pencil

    Why not just add every single programming language into bukkit ._. java isnt THAT hard >.> first phython, next .net? then c then idk?
     
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    CruzBishop

    Sorry if I sound rude, but the guy using TeamViewer to watch some examples of Minecraft is really upset that you called JetBrains JetBeans :p

    @Topic (Sorry if someone has that name, you just got a notification)

    I kind of agree with @Dazmo; The interface could be annoying for a first-time user. Trust me, Dazmo, once you've used them for a few years you will just be using keyboard shortcuts for everything in them :p

    EDIT: @Pencil What about assembly? :D
     
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    Pencil

    I want to write a plugin using css, php & html. MAKE IT POSSIBLE >.> XD
     
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    CruzBishop

    Now THAT would be epic.
     
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    Pencil

    Hah ._. maybe :p it would be weird tho XD
     
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    CruzBishop

    Code:
    <plugin name="Paper" version="1.0">
        <author name="Pencil" />
        <commands>
            <command name="clear" usage="Correct usage is /clear" class="com.pencil.paper.commands.ClearCommand" />
        </commands>
    </plugin>

    ....... Yeah, that'd just be a pain :\
     
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    Pencil

    XD
    I'll stick to java :/ ^^
     
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    Clem

    NO! Come on guys be serious. If it wasn't for Jython this wouldn't be happening.
     
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    Dazmo

    well see thats the thing. I dont like java enough to use it for a few years lol. I just want to code some plugins for minecraft.
     
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    Elmog

    Alfredo sauce is amazing
     
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    Supersam654

    I really don't think using Eclipse is that difficult. You make a new project, you make a new package, you make a new class, you import the craftbukkit snapshot.jar file, you create a 3 line plugin.yml file, and off you go. It can't take more than 5 minutes to have the foundation for ANY bukkit plugin! Im brand new to Java and picked it up in several hours. My biggest recommendation is DO NOT READ THE TUTORIALS!!! They are completely outdated to the point that they are blatantly wrong! Just search for an easy plugin, find the source code, and start reading. To get a better idea of what you need to do, find another easy plugin. That's all there is to it.

    Sam
     
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    Bronski

    I'm holding out for javascript... DO EET!
     
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