How to make more servers using online?

Discussion in 'Bukkit Discussion' started by kolorafa, Aug 28, 2012.

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Do you agree with moderators?

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  1. As a admin of simple small server i did start is as offline server, only few players did but game before joining my server, my questio for you people would be like in title, how to make the players buy premium account to play.

    As for 4 years now i didn't know how, but now i found a solution, simple but as i know now, not every one agree with it.

    I did create a plugin that can check if player X have bought minecraft account or not, how it works is a long story so i will skip that.

    I did create:
    -Plugin that is able to check if player X on my offline server have premium account or not
    -Plugin that gives them(players who bought the game) different group - that have access to build on my maps, not only specate
    -Plugin that gives them money on start

    So now every player see that if they piracy the game they lose a lot!

    I don't like piracy but i can only try to show them that having legal is better!


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    Now to the actual problem:
    My plugin was on dev.bukkit.org for some time now, today it was deleted, reason?

    The reason for deletion is:
    We do not allow projects that assist offline users in gaining access to a server. The Bukkit project does not support piracy, and suggests that all users run their servers in online mode to avoid issues such as the ones that you try to fix using this project.

    Thats not true, "PremiumProxy" that was deleted doesn't do anything, doesn't trying to fix anyting, it only checks if player is offline or online.
    I know that this post will be deleted in no time but still i want to ask you people about your opinion, if you say that you agree with them then i will just stop developing it.

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    My plugin is dedicated for offline server, it doesnt provide any security holes, and isn't the base for protection, it allows to type /list and see if the player joined the server is premium and informs other plugins about that player.

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    My conversation with stuff (that is what my pool is for):

    • kolorafa 10 hours, 48 minutes ago
      My plugin works the other way, i force players to buy online, i know that lots of server uses offline thats why i wanted them to know that if they have legal minecraft they will gain more from game, for example, my server, offline player join and can only walk over map, if he want to build he need to buy legal minecraft!
    • H31IX 10 hours, 38 minutes ago
      Your plugin assists offline players in participating with legitimate players and connecting to a mostly online-userbase server.
      In short, our rule is that we do not allow mods that give players who have not purchased the game a better experience playing, or ability to interact with legitimate players.
    • kolorafa 10 hours, 31 minutes ago
      No, my plugin is for:
      Offline server - to different online from offline, because on offline everyone join.
      Online server - allows offline to view map and to feel that they are the criminals!
      I was in shock when i hear from my player "Where did you get minecraft? From [name of download page]?" :confused: he didn't even know where to buy minecraft!
      And with mixed mode legal players will tell them to buy legal!
    • H31IX 10 hours, 21 minutes ago
      It doesn't really matter what it is specifically for, the fact is that we do not allow projects that glorify running an offline server.
      The fact that you allow both online and offline players on one server means that users who currently run online servers would find your plugin, think that they could keep their security while switching to offline mode, while increasing their playerbase. This is something that is not safe or something that Bukkit advises doing, and we do not allow projects that give people this false sense of security, not matter how few permissions offline users have.
    • kolorafa 3 hours, 57 minutes ago
      True, i just totally agree with you, that i will put TOTALLY HIGHLIGHTED that it is not safe to do so, there is a big possibility that someone will Join as someone else, but still i want to increase the amount of selled minecraft accounts at mineraft.net, thats why i did create this plugin, i want to get ride of all offline players, i want CRASH them, and only way is to make that EVERY offline server will be stepping over them, i want to make that on EVERY offline server if someone don't have legal that he will be totally step over.
      An in addition this plugin is the best way to ensure that your server will not ever be inaccessible because of minecraft.net server not functional.
      Look, even minecraft see that, they create a "demo mode" because of that, to allow players to legally join game, play and have "something limited" as legal players.
    • TnTBass 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
      The project will not get approved on DBO, unless you remove all features for non premium players, which completely defeats the purpose of this plugin.
      Nor will the file be approved on the Bukkit Forums.
      Thank you for your understanding, TnT
      BFAK:TnT,595,e6aa1b0d4b6749b31a920a21e29e4963f3e0541c6a639601a1288a6b06ab7407
    • kolorafa 38 minutes ago
      But plugin started as a plugin for offline server for online players, it doesn't have aby features for offline players, so i have 2 questions:
      Can anyone post a plugin that is for offline server? Can anyone post plugin adding something to minecraft players?
    • H31IX 26 minutes ago
      It DOES have features for offline players; it allows them to mingle with online players in a way normal online mode does not allow for.
      We're not going to fight with you any longer on the topic of whether or not this plugin is violating the rule we deleted it for, all we're doing at this point is perpetually saying the same thing to you. The staff and administrators of BukkitDev agree that this project is against our rules, and it will not be restored.
      We've already answered your first question: we do not allow plugins that make offline servers seem desirable by adding features to them that make it seem like they are as safe and have the same security as online servers.
      Your second question is possibly as vague as it can get, you're not really asking us anything you're just trying to get us to say "yes" to one of the questions so that you can fight us and make a case that your plugin is classified as something we approve of, which it is not. The obvious answer to "Can anyone post a plugin adding something to minecraft players" is YES, there are hundreds of plugins on BukkitDev that add some kind of functionality to players that is not present in vanilla. However, all those plugins "adding something to minecraft players" are not violating our rules by endangering the security and safety of servers and their players, or implementing verification systems that are not sanctioned by Mojang, and are therefor untrustworthy. Nor are they attempting to make having an offline server seem like a desirable thing to gain more users, so please, do not try to make another rebuttal based off this answer, or this report will be closed.
      Last edited 25 mins ago by H31IX
     
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    mackerbaron

    i have an idea make it that bukkit have online mode ofline mode and nonauthentic
     
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    Lolmewn

    Wait a sec, online-mode=true --> Yay?!

    Also, improve your English. It's a pain in the rear to read. That also makes you look way less serious.

    EDIT by Moderator: merged posts, please use the edit button instead of double posting.
     
    Last edited by a moderator: May 28, 2016
  4. Sorry for my english, i'm not home, cant install spellcheck here.


    My plugin does:
    To offline server: checks if player joining server is premium or not(pirat)
    To online server: it changes server to offline and do the same as above - so my plugin basically is for offline servers

    How to use it:
    You can create plugin your own that do something to player detected as "player that bought minecraft"
    For example, you can give them rights to build on your server, give them cash, but still THIS IS A OFFLINE SERVER. Only thing that you know who bought the game and who not. The project that was deleted doesn't do anything more than check player and change from online to offline server.
     
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    Lolmewn

    kolorafa Wait a sec, YOU'RE CHANCING ONLINE-MODE=TRUE TO ONLINE-MODE=FALSE?!?
    No wonder this plugin didn't get approved. Huuuuge security risk there!
    Did you also know that online-mode=false will cause PlayerPreJoinEvents not to fire? That means quite some plugins will function less good.
     
  6. My goal - make more players to buy minecraft - by showing that it doesn't cost much and player gain a lot more on every server (because he can play on any online server in the net, and get more that pirates at offline servers)

    But somehow that project was deleted so i'm asking how to make that with free mind to change my offline server to online and still play with players that creates a really nice buildings.

    No, my plugins is bassicaly for offline servers, as they want to tell non premium players BUY PREMIUM, and my plugin work like this:

    You have online-mode=false
    You install my plugin and set online-mode=true - Nothing Changes, server is still offline, but server fires "session check" and my plugin catches it, so it can tell if player have bought minecraft or not, but still, this is offline server allowing anyone to that server.

    EDIT by Moderator: merged posts, please use the edit button instead of double posting.
     
    Last edited by a moderator: May 28, 2016
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    TnT

    I agree with the moderators, yes.

    This is not up for debate. You can run an online-mode=false server to your hearts content. You are absolutely 100% well in within your right to disagree, but it will not change the policy. We are a group of volunteers, and have no obligation to support you pirating the game, or encouraging piracy through plugins.

    Online-mode=true works like this: You buy the game, you can play on a premium server. You pirate the game, you cannot play. That encourages you to buy the game. Your plugin servers only to let those who refuse to buy the game (aka, pirate it) to play.

    You will not get:
    • A) Support on the Bukkit forums
    • B) A plugin approved on dev.bukkit.org or the Bukkit Plugin Releases forum
    • C) All of the above.
    Locked. Buy the game and tell your friends to buy the game.
     
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