It seems Bukkit is as user-friendly as DOS.

Srsly, I'm having the worst problems trying to figure this stuff out. I can't even get permissions to work as it just spawns a totally blank file. Then when I try and add my name I still can't get any commands to work. The people on the server get weird ass commands and I have no idea what I'm doing. Not to mention that the better mods are now going out the window with MySQL crap.

Why?

 

It helps if you read the instructions for how to set up the plugins you try to use.

Permissions, for example, requires a bit more than adding your name to a blank file.

If you read the first post of the thread, it will often include some information about how to set it up.

Permissions comes with a template that you'll need to modify. Read the first post for more info.

 

My biggest problem is that I'm not using permissions in a place that I can freely drag and drop items. So it's not that easy, however, I think the problem is more of the servers implementation of Bukkit.

However, that doesn't mean that Bukkit is user-friendly. Can you argue that?

 

I was able to set up bukkit quite easily simply by reading the important threads. I set up my own Permissions config the same way.

It's only as user friendly as you let it be. If you don't read instructions, you won't get far. If you do, I think it's quite easy to set up a bukkit server.

 

An hMod server was much easier to set up. There seems to be too many of the same add-ons for bukkit that seem to conflict. I'm not saying Bukkit is bad, but I'm saying it's not friendly. I still have not figured out anyway to set up SQLite as the company I purchased my server from does not handle MySQL.

 

SQLite is a library. You place it in a folder. The plugin you're using needs to support it though, and you may need to configure it to use SQLite instead of MySQL.

There is certainly variety available in some of the plugin categories, but that is not always a bad thing. It often means that there is something out there that does what you want.

 

The problem is, I never figured out how SQLite works and how to set it up on my server. I know BB does and that's really the only one I worry about.

I wouldn't mind it so much, but it seems that things getting supported different. There's like 100 (exaggeration) different permission type plugins where all hMod really need was included into the core.

 

Bukkit will probably get a unified standardized way to access either an SQLite or MySQL database which all plugins will have to use. A standard permissions-system has already been announced. The best solution for bukkit would be that this permissions-system was made so that plugins are required to use it for commands permissions in such a way that the plugin won't receive commands at all from a certain player if he lacks the right permissions. This will prohibit plugin developers from using alternative permission plugins which would be great news for server ops.

We need ONE and only ONE database access system and ONE permission system. Otherwise we will get fragmentated plugins where some support one system, some another,some both and some none.

 

Bukkit already has a permissions system built in. The devs just haven't tied it into names and groups, so it's not usable yet.

As for bukkit being difficult, I'd have to disagree. Most of the plugins have adequate documentation, and if you're still having trouble, you can hop on the bukkit IRC channel for help. It didn't take me very long to learn how to properly manage a bukkit server, and I had only been running an hmod server for a month or so before I switched to bukkit.

 

I just had a big rant about how fragmented the permission system is in bukkit and i think this thread supports my argument.

Bukkit is not hard - you just need to read more. All the information is there for those who are having trouble.

You pointed our my main problem with bukkit:

There needs to be a single permissions system that is well documented. Not such a big ask. hMod understood this which is probably why so many converts are unhappy at first.

ps DOS was awesome! dont speak ill of the dead
pps thank god for UNIX though