Mods for servers! [Formatted]

Discussion in 'Archived: Plugin Requests' started by Corruptedjak, Jan 6, 2012.

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    Corruptedjak

    Plugin category: Administration

    Suggested name: ModdedServers

    A bit about me: A server owner, recently became interested on having mods inside a server. I figured it would lag all to hell, but it would be WORTH IT! I know it's possible, there's gotta be loads of geniuses who can do this. Anyway, I wanted to mod my servers to play with friends.

    What I want: Basically, you can put mods such as the air plane mod, or the Aether, or the Moon Mod, Twilight Forest, (etc.) into a server. Obviously I understand you wouldn't be able to join the server unless you had the mods. :] It would be so worth it to be able to add these new realms, or animals / weapons (the "Mo" mods) into the game!

    Ideas for commands: None. It would be in the game by default, no one has a choice to use it or not.

    Ideas for permissions: None

    Willing to pay up to: I only wish I had money :[ $0

    When I'd like it by: Whenever you can, I figure this would be a big project.

    Similar plugin requests: None that I know of

    Devs who might be interested in this:
     
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    iffa

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    I mean you tried, but obviously trying wasn't quite enough. Try again!

    mods are not possible like *bam* instantly
     
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    King Rat

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    Corruptedjak

    Neither of you helped. I'm not interested in hearing "Not going to work". If you can't do it, find something else to do. Maybe go to bed if you're so bored your roaming the Bukkit forums to try and find something to do, and so happen to find my post and decided to be dicks about it.
    Go to hell King Rat and iffa.
     
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    iffa

    The thing is, no one is going to do it for you here. Move on. This isn't even going to be a plugin.
     
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    Corruptedjak

    God you are such a banana!
    I don't care about your darn opinion! You disgust me too! You give up without even trying! Well you know what? Poo on you and your pessimistic personality, I will try for this, even if I have to learn to do it myself. Now stop giving me your opinions. They're just a pain in the doink to read.

    EDIT by NinjaGrinch: Lets keep things civil folks, no need for that much swearing in one post!
     
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    SirTyler

    You may not want to hear it wont work but that is the plain and simple truth. Unless someone creates the mod with the expressed purpose to be installed and compatible with bukkit (very very rare to ever see that happen) then it is not possible, you are basically asking someone to take the mod that already exists and recode it from the ground up to work with bukkit. You may think you can just drop in the files and that is it, but that isn't how it works. Also while King Rat and iffa may not have been helpful (come on guys everyone is a noob at first) they are still correct in that it can't or won't be done and although their comments weren't really "kind" they are no less accurate.
     
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    Corruptedjak

    The hell it "can't" be done. This is ridiculous. Why not just create another server client like bukkit or the default minecraft server, and make this one compatible with plugins? It would resemble something like GMod. Except wouldn't automatically install the plugins when you try joining.
     
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    SirTyler

    Now you are asking something even more complicated then recreating the mod....

    And as for it can't be done, I said that it can't be done UNLESS the mod creator builds it with the intended purpose for the mod to work with bukkit. This means that all code and files are written in a way as that it does not interfere with bukkit's own server files (this is very very uncommon and difficult to be done). Now as for your idea of creating a new server client.... that is just ridiculous, while yes you could do that it would be even more complicated than having the plugin recreated to work with bukkit. If you want to teach your self everything there is to know of Java, Networks, and other needed things to attempt this, be my guest, just know that it is the worst solution to this problem. Now I suggest that you end the thread here to avoid digging the hole any deeper than it already is.
     
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    Corruptedjak

    So? If you don't want to do it then don't. In all honesty, if I knew how, I'd do it in a heartbeat. I however, don't. And learning to make this would just be tedious. I'm asking for someone who already knows how, and is willing to work on a project. Possibly even make money off of this, because no doubt, a server like that, could in fact make money. I would totally pay 5-15$ for a server like that, not monthly, but for the software to do so. I see no problem in asking for a lot.
     
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    SirTyler

    Well here is the thing though, I am not saying that someone shouldn't attempt it. Doing it would be a great achievement and bridge the gap between client side mods and server side mods. But the fact of the matter isnt that it is just a tedious job, it is that it is a giant undertaking. The closest thing to what you are asking for would be Spout, and while it gives us devs lots of client side capabilities even it has its limits. Now if you look at how many people work on Spout, how much time they put in, and how vast their knowledge is you would get an idea how difficult this is. Hell just look at the bukkit dev team. This not only requires a team of very very skilled devs and a extremely long timeline, but requires constant updates with the new minecraft versions, bugs that arise, and to help support any and all future mods. The best case scenario for you is to wait for the Mod API and for Mojang to fully support bukkit, once that happens you will most likely get your wish but until then, do not expect devs to do this. We love to code and love a challenge, we love to test our skills and make things people didn't know could be done. But we can not do the impossible.
     
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    ThatBox


    You are saying 2 different things. First you say "I'll do it myself" then, "haha never mind". And good luck finding someone. Even if your only willing to give 15$.
     
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    Atomic Fusion

    @Corruptedjak
    I would just like to point out that yes, of course it is possible. The question is how much effort is required. One could obviously entirely rewrite Minecraft. I doubt that anyone "knows how" to do this. It's not a simple thing. Something like Spout and Spoutcraft would be best suited for this. A better thing to do would just ask people to work on Spout, as it is working towards this possibility. But regardless, magical support with existing singleplayer mods is extremely unlikely. The would need to be modified/rewritten to work with Spout.

    Or if you want everything to magically work, just write an AI that can do it for you. I'm sure it's possible.
     
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    SirTyler

    You don't even need spout, I have seen ways to make mods like planes compatible with bukkit (most likely a link is on the planes mod threat on minecraftfourms.net) but that required alot of work on both the plugin and rewriting the mod to work with it. The point here is, @Corruptedjak , that what you are asking for is very far out of sight for anyone here. Like I said, your best bet is to simply wait for Mojang to officially support Bukkit and for the Modding API to be released.
     
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    Atomic Fusion

    Of course you don't need it, but there needs to be some way for the client and server mods to communicate, and Spout is an easy way to both avoid writing this mechanism yourself, and making it compatible with other plugins/addons (now that Spoutcraft has client side addon support).
     
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    Corruptedjak

    Jesus you're all a bunch of pessimistic assholes. All I wanted was this, I didn't want you guys to tell me it couldn't be done. Fuck.
     
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    SirTyler

    Would you rather us tell you that it cant be done YET and give you valid reasons why, or just let this topic never get a reply and you sit there "bumping" the thread as you wait for an answer which is exactly what we gave you? Also you seem to think we are saying it will never be done, that isn't the case. It can and most likely will, but not now and probably not soon.
     
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    Corruptedjak

    Making multiple points in an argument, even if they contradict what you've said, can actually be more effective than just putting one. I was giving a broader view of the idea. And for fuck's sake, don't treat me like a child. If you want me to stop cussing, just ask. Don't make me sound like I'm 7 you fucking control freak.
     
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    iffa

    1. This is Plugin Requests.
    2. This is Bukkit.

    So it's not possible.
     
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    SwearWord

    @Corruptedjak
    There's a difference between pessimism and reality. The fact is, right now it's exceedingly difficult to do what you ask. We're taking baby steps toward it but there are tiny things that we can get stuck on for weeks. The reason people started yelling at you is because the way you asked for it, like it was a simple and easy task, totally disregards the tremendous amount of effort and dedication that go into getting even where we are now. Remember, the people who spend their time developing plugins/mods/server software are volunteers, not slaves you can command to produce anything you desire.
     
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    Corruptedjak

    I'd rather this sit here not getting a reply, why? Because I don't bump my own threads. I leave them alone. If people don't think it can be done, or don't want to do it, I let that be when they don't comment or offer help. I think you guys are just fucking lonely on a Friday night and taking that out by spreading negativity.

    I'm not treating them like slaves. Hell I'm typically extremely nice to the people who design plugins for me. I was asking for something, and as I stated before, I'd prefer people didn't tell me it wasn't possible. It pisses me off.

    EDIT by Moderator: merged posts, please use the edit button instead of double posting.
     
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    SirTyler

    Yes and No, there is only so much a plugin can do right now. There is no reason someone (and I belive it may have been done) can't create a connector between bukkit and a mod, now like I said this is a huge undertaking and requires the plugin and mod to be codded to work with each other. So yes it can be done, no it won't be done yet or any time soon.

    And as for the your cussing, you are doing it on a public place where anyone of any age can view. I am sure that the Staff member that "bleeped" your post was doing it for their sakes, but regardless no need to call someone a control freak. And in all honesty you are being treated based on how you act, so if someone acts like a child should they not be treated as one? Also no need to get hostile towards us for simply letting you know that what your asking can not be done, it is the normal response. If someone comes up to you and asks you to rip a balloon dog from your stomach and then turn it into a real dog, do you just ignore them and not say anything or do you say it isn't possible to do? As for the comment about us being lonely on a Friday night, I can only speak for myself saying that I stay up late in the night on many different nights to help people with dev problems or to help with requests. Just because I take the time to help others does not mean I am lonely and talking negatively.
     
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    King Rat

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    Corruptedjak

    Fucking dumbass.
     
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    King Rat

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    SirTyler

    Well I think this thread has reached the end of its life, any staff reading (@SwearWord if you are still there). I think it is best to close this thread now rather then let this continue.
     
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    Corruptedjak

    Agreed
     
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    King Rat

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    Off, off, and awaaaaaaay!
     
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    rymate1234

    Why not use spout?

    That has recently become a custom server. It still in development, but it will be capable of having mods in SMP/SSP as the api is the same for bothe SpoutServer and SpoutCraft (client).

    Of course the mod devs will have to port their mods to spout ;)

    Well as the whole of minecraft is gonna be a spout plugin, it might be possible :p

    EDIT by Moderator: merged posts, please use the edit button instead of double posting.
     
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    SirTyler

    You can use spout, but it isn't needed to do it but it dose make it easier.
    And as for the mod devs porting the mod that is what I have been saying from the start xD
    Its possible to do, but it is a huge undertaking to do it.

    Your saying that bukkit being officially supported by Mojang (ie it becomes the default server) or Modding API coming out is not going to make server mods possible?

    EDIT by Moderator: merged posts, please use the edit button instead of double posting.
     
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